what no only the strong survive what kind of tribalness is this!!!
/mortal combat voice on
it has, begun!
/mortal combat voice off
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Thatâs what I thought might happen. I think the first model is still the best, since its the cleanest, but if you can figure out someway to convey more of that âboneâ feeling without cluttering it so much, it would really helpâŚ
Yeah Iâll probably take a few more runs at it to see if I canât find some kind of middle ground the bones are either too large and busy looking or theyâre too small to really add in any detail so far.
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My work was delayed tonight as I decided to upgrade to the Windows 8.1 preview (I like to live on the edge and I really wanted the new snap features; now I can snap my image searches and my music along side my Qubicle so I donât have to alt-tab to skip songs woo!) I didnât want to get caught up in work so I decided to do some for fun voxels.
I give you the BETA FISH; itâs from the Windows 8.1 preview splash screen. I wonder if they would care if it was in the mod?
But I did also take another swing at the tribal cage.
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I think that the bone cage is good enough for now 
Do you have any of the other classes worked out yet model-wise? This Pikken craze would be a perfect time to make the animal handler or the rancher/breeder.
Not yet the class progression is really bothering me; it seems too cut and dry and linear. So I tried to spice it up some today and then I ended up withâŚ
About the time I couldnât follow my own arrows I think it became a problem.
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Ow. I think I pulled a few brain muscles trying to figure that out. It looks simple at first, but as soon as I tried to go deeper, I got brain cramps. SERIOUSLY GUISE. NOT WORTH IT. RUN. RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
Haha you should have seen it before the lines for the arrows were separated. I was trying to follow one and I was like âWHY IS THE WARRIOR CONNECTED TO THE MEDICINE MAN?! Oh⌠heâs not.â
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But the overall thing I was trying to accomplish was to cut some lines shorter that really didnât need 3 levels, add some more unique ones (which turned into just question marks), introduce some conditional/hybrid criteria kind of classes (the yellow ones), and just make it so you didnât didnât have like 3 âCraftersâ at the base level all of which would screw you if you didnât first make the âCarpenterâ so then I thought why not a basic âCrafterâ that would do basic huts and simple things and he would make the tools needed for the next ones. That kind of negates the Carpenter though so then I was going to remove that but Builder was a second generation class so then where does that leave people in the interim? Theyâd want better huts, fences, and maybe a fort or something.
The Leatherworker is supposed to be conditional on having a Crafter and Skinner and the Riders require saddles and domesticated Pikkens; but thatâs conditional on Leatherworker and Handler. Thatâs when I just hit my head against a wall and yeah.
A second generation class is supposed to be one where the kid of the previous generation class would have the âinheritâ skills to take that class to the next level.
Had to crank out a really awesome visual that came to me just as I was closing stuff down; but if I didnât do it now I would have lost it from my brain forever.
Meet da Monkey.
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While not supporting colour or being able to control position directly yuml.me seems alright. Some kind of graphing tool with auto-balancing features would probably be best. I tried yuml though and here is the results, unfortunately I donât know how to set image size here so itâs big. Also the link for editing is http://yuml.me/edit/20fb2084 if you want to change it.
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Just wondering, what are the differences between the classes that come from the crafter, such as the Builder and Maker? It just seems a little odd that youâd need 3 Carpenters (pr 4, if you run your chieftain through that class). Also, it would be interesting if the chieftain gave unique bonuses based on which class tree you ran im through, so that players could customize their direction even more.
Its an awesome model, but it feels to me like the forehead is one voxel too large, and the feet should probably be moved forward a bit.
(Youâll notice I only ever nitpick your models, but thatâs because A) There arenât ever any glaring errors, and B) otherwise Iâd be saying âthat looks awesomeâ in every commentâŚ)
I welcome the comments sir; its funny because I saw it as the back of the head was too short. I just needed to get the base down before I lost idea that I had last night.
So yeah youâre right about the classes and Iâve been trying to work down that class list my friend made by axing redundancy; the original thought from him was each upgrade to the carpenter would be like a step up technologically. I just thought of something today that might make more sense. Specialties in which your Carpenter reaches a certain level that he specializes in something like Masonry or Buildings; masonry would give bonuses to stone recipes and buildings more fortified and builders would have more complex/larger buildings and a bonus to building based recipes. Theyâd still be Carpenters by class then and you wouldnât be required to get them all it would be the style and flavor of city youâre going for.
Nice work @GrimMethod. The first thing that comes to mind looking at your class tree is that I think you have too many classes that can be promoted to Chieftain. Perhaps only the champion, rider, witch doctor, and medicine man lines could be promoted to Chieftain. Seems that the villagers would probably only put faith on one of these types of villagers to lead them.
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So first Iâm going to start by apologizing for the use of PowerPoint again; but itâs what I have readily available at work which is where I like to whip up this stuff during down time. I like the site that @Xavion showed off so I might do some of the stuff in that but in the direction this is going now itâs going to be even harder; plus I need my colors to maintain my sanity 
Iâm hoping by tagging some of the lines this one is at least a little easier?
Iâm going to be referencing them as âJobsâ instead of classes in this post and possibly going forward? We all love that right? Good.
Even if it isnât Iâm about to explain what happened today; so for you guys that have been following along you know that when we expanded the class tree (the one showing in the original post currently) it added a ton of redundancy and I just generally disliked how linear it was. It didnât mesh well with the other ideas we have for villager kids and offspring either. So I had been axing classes, rearranging stuff, adding conditionals, and other stuff but it still didnât feel right. I think Iâve come up with the solution though and itâs in the kids. So with that we have whatâs above everything starts with your Villager (heâs going to be like the worker in vanilla Stonehearth) from there they have access to only the green colored jobs (as in base level jobs). So now you start building your tribe and you got some Warriors, Archers running around hunting and killing you have a Carpenter making some huts and a farmer sowing the fields when someone comes back with a spear in their eye you send them to the Herbalist to get some natural remedies rubbed in but then what you say?
Well you get your tribesman busy making kids so now you see a Xena Warrior Princess shaking up with the local Handler and they have a kid when that kid âgrows upâ youâll be able to choose to inherit Warrior OR Handler OR Rider as the kid grew up both around animals and fighting; heâll unlock the ability to equip a âRider Talismanâ which will produce your very first Rider. Now that you have one Rider itâs much easier to get more (the new grown up Rider villager just needs to get busy) they will be able to produce offspring that will get to be Rider or the other job of their parent depending on the needs of your village at the time. You will also always have the ability to equip any talisman that doesnât require a specific âinheritanceâ as well so even villager offspring can act as just a jobless villager if you really need a specific base job thatâs always an option.
So for the color coding of the chart the Orange jobs are a hybrid inheritance that involves two parents of different jobs and the Red colored jobs are pure jobs inherited when both parents are of the same base job. Purple is a special case scenario and this slide is unfortunately as of about 5 minutes ago outdated in regards to the one example it gives; it canât actually be 3 base level jobs (3 parents?) I was trying to think of just an example so for the âMakerâ (name pending) it would really be like the Blacksmith + Carpenter or something along those lines. So a third level inherited job will involve any second generation job mixed with a base level job because 2+1=3 sounds good right?
Now for the Chieftan he was always going to be a special case as he will be the first to use the âdual talismanâ assuming we can make it work. Like @2_Zons said some jobs might not be a great âfitâ as far as leadership goes but that job is going to be more based on just level and âageâ of your tribesman. I think any tribesman that survives long enough to be qualified to equip the Chieftan armor would be viewed as at least an elder of wisdom in the tribe and as such it would make sense to open it up to as many as possible; excluding some for various voodoo related reasons (Tribesman donât like inventors and tinkererâs thatâs the devils work). The tribesman that becomes the Chieftan wonât lose his current job instead will just impart leadership bonuses to the tribe based on his actual job and will also impart better leadership and coordination if you choose to bring him out with a hunting party. So with that @Paranundrox you nailed it pretty much with where we were taking the Chieftan.
For anyone who actually reads this massive block of text I salute you and will reward everyone with some more voxel work to come tonight!
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Also congratulations @Paranundrox for both seeing one of the secret things AND slipping this post in so that I didnât even see it the other day; like a ninja.
The Chieftan does in fact have a brand new pipe for that scene.
The other secret was Betting Vouchers (two of them) located one each in two of the Villagers hands. (It was probably @Geoffers747 and @Paranundrox with the vouchers)
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Interesting, interesting. For the chieftan and potentially other things like elders or heros or whatnot what about the idea of utility classes? Theyâd basically be minor secondary classes that units can take on top of their class, so you could have champion or witch doctor chieftans and different types of elders or anything else as well. As long as they didnât get out of control it might work.
As for the inheritance stuff how do you deal with multi-generational inheritance? for example the warrior and handler have a kid, and then the kid becomes a rider and has a kid with a warrior. Would the kid be able to access Champion? both itâs parents had some warrior in them, or if they had a kid with a forger could it get bonesmith?
I personally feel that bonesmith would work better with something like leatherworker or witchdoctor than handler, and what would the difference between witchdoctor and shaman be? How are you planning on countering breeding micro with this system? I can fairly easily seeing this start being so that you need to carefully monitor who has kids with who to unlock advanced classes as is.
Anyway thatâs just some thoughts on it, there has to be a better tool for the class diagrams as well and Iâm looking into stuff for some of my own projects as well.