BURN IT NOW. STEVE, PURGE THIS FROM THE FORUM IMMEDIATELY BEFORE IT SPREADS.
#RealGamersUseWindows
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now now @LordNevs… remember what Dr Schwartz said… go to your happy place …
Look @LordNevs, I use BootCamp, which allows me to dual-boot my computer with both OSX, and Windows. I use Windows for gaming, and OSX for everything else.
I too have a Mac, windows for the stuff that need it and Mac for everything else. Besides, think of how funny it would be to make Stonehearth mods that don’t run on windows, don’t you think I should totally do that? Although that issue might actually come in Stonehearth what with lua byte code not having certain consistency across platforms.
Windows is dying as a gaming platform IMO. Steam is gravitating towards Linux, most indie devs support it and DirectX is currently stagnating. Throw in Mantle being built as a low level API and you’re almost free of the icy cold Windows grip, but I certainly don’t think it’s going to Mac either. The problem with Macs are their terrible security. Check out the PWN2OWN competition where they get busted in seconds.
Couple that with terribly restricted apps and programs and you have a very focused platform for better or worse. Personally I’d rather not be forced into dual booting, which is why I use Windows instead of a Linux suite.
It’s more of a pick your poison.
@TUGenius I do exactly the same thing with my iMac, exactly the same specs except i have the 3TB HDD with the SSD as well. Runs games really well!
Windows can’t die as a gaming platform without windows going down, it’s just the way things like that work. As for that security vulnerability it was not in fact a flaw with OS X but a flaw with Safari, go use Chrome or Firefox and don’t complain, it was mentioned that IE 8 was cracked at the comp as well so does that mean windows is just as bad? OS’s all have weaknesses, mac’s security isn’t really worse and is quite possibly better just from an obscurity thing. As for DirectX it does seem to be dying, but so is Flash, it’s just a combination of lack of support and newer technologies that match it easier slowly moving out the old. Mantle isn’t going to really go anywhere till it gets picked up by other manufacturers which is likely to take a long while. Linux has it own ream of issues as well in it’s customizability allowing for a whole bunch of compatibility issues.
I’m not sure what you could mean by “terribly restricted apps and programs” though as you’re support of linux suggests you’re not talking about the normal issue with more options for windows as that covers linux even more than mac.
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Windows will die hard for the same reason that windows 8 didn’t do well. If people don’t want change, they will not transfer. Nobody wanted a mobile OS on windows, so nobody bought windows 8 (Except for me because I am a rebellious communist). If you try to move to a OS that has low compatibility with a lot of applications, and just supports gaming as it’s major backer, then it will fail. Because then what is the difference between that and a console? A system that plays games and can’t do much more than that? I would rather buy an Xbox. The reason that Windows is so much better than OSX is because windows is like a gray wall. You can paint whatever you want onto the wall and make it your wall. It is your computer and the only limitation is your hardware (To a degree). With most apple PC’s, you get an overpriced monitor that gives you no room for hardware upgrades, and is very restrictive to what you can and can’t do.
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Please elaborate, what are these mysterious restrictions you speak of?
Just because they’ve got a different way of doing things that doesn’t mean their way is inherently worse. While yes there isn’t that much room for upgrades on apples (the new mac pro is the first one to actually support it somewhat) there is advantages to that, besides how often do you actually need to upgrade the parts? The price is a poor argument normally after accounting for resale value (you should be able to get at least 40% of the new price for a 3-4 year computer fairly consistently). Don’t forget as well that they make laptops, a whole lot less room for an overpriced monitor there (I’ve actually got a higher resolution screen laptop than pretty much any other 13" laptop I know of, don’t have the retina either).
normally i would get all blustery, and tell you guys to take this discussion to a separate thread… but im enjoying the debate… 
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Well you could split it off into a thread, just make sure you think about the potential results of a thread labelled “Mac vs Windows Debate”.
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Its ok, a thread like that might actually give @SteveAdamo a reason to use the all mighty +1 Adamantine Ban Hammer. I personally would like to see some Trolls smited. 
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hence my hesitation… 
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give @SteveAdamo a reason to use the all mighty +1 Adamantine Ban Hammer
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just got her back from the shop too… all purty and such…
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Maybe but as IE is to Windows Safari is to OSX. They’ve held additional competitions and in one a team seized complete remote control over a Mac in 8 hours. Still more quickly than other OS.
Exactly but most people claim the all mighty Mac virus proof.
No most Apple programs must be approved as well as the licensing. This is why iOS doesn’t have certain apps (such that contain questionable material like drug references ect.) because it needs to go through the company’s filter. I just don’t like that stuff because it means the company is willing to draw a line somewhere regardless whether inappropriate or not that type of censorship can easily squelch new markets because Apple may deem them “innapropriate”. One example would be if someone comes out with a product better than iTunes such lazy censorship could allow them to stop access to that app on their devices. It’s market control.
Agreed and with Windows goes DirectX one of the most sweeping graphics APIs to date. Just saying it all follows the money, and the money follows two things Enthusiasts(PC Gamers, Overclockers ect) and Legacy (Businesses that rely on older programs and the like). You can get by without one but not both in the computer world. This is why Tablets are trying to keep hammering into the casual/surf market but fail in some zones because of the rise of smartphone power.
I agree, I like this. It’s very civil and still is in the realm of the topic. On a side note OMFGWTF DID YOU GUYS HEAR FALLOUT 4 MIGHT BE ANNOUNCED!!! IM SO EXCITED.
Edit: Steve before you jump on my use of OMFGWTF it stands for Occidental Mothers Flying Graciously With Tiny Feathers. 
Second Edit: There is my desk, if you want my CPU internals give me a shout and I’ll take a pic of it as well.
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What sources do you have for that? Also what levels of security were they assuming for the end user? And most importantly why is your computer so important that a team of people would spend 8 hours hacking it? Mine isn’t so that doesn’t matter to me.
Cut down points, to start with my summarising as bad examples, firstly drug references affect the rating but don’t get it banned, secondly the itunes examples is a bad one in that a competitor for it is next to impossible due to how it’s been developed with the devices in mind from the start and is the official software, a better option would be incredibly difficult to make because they lack so many of the advantages Apple would have for that purpose.
Yes Apple controls what goes on to the app store but how is that special in anyway? In fact I’ll challenge you to find a commercial digital store like that that doesn’t check submissions to it, physical stores would do the same thing. I’ll take the comment about most of them needing approval to be in relation to computers and not mobile devices in which case it makes little sense as they only really control programs that go through the app store which most of them wouldn’t I believe. The issue of market control is near entirely different to a debate on the virtues of Apple and I mainly believe it’s used as an example of it because it would have one the biggest digital marketplaces there is along with steam as the other really notable one, the android and windows stores just don’t get the same level of attention.
Now for me challenges for you then: Show me examples of major digital stores that don’t monitor content, and give me an example of a market that would be considered bad but still something you feel should be available to children. Apple gets something like 30% of all sales on the app store as well remember so it would have to be a pretty bad market to not get on.
For the children bit I’m assuming more around teenagerly ages (10-14?) where it’s perfectly possible that they’re using a parents itunes account so age protection won’t be relevant as it won’t know they’re actual age.
Correction five seconds. Same vulnerabilities different year of the same competition
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+OS+X+is+First+OS+to+be+Hacked+at+This+Years+Pwn2Own/article21097.htm
Perhaps I was told wrong by those I know that use Apple devices or maybe it has changed. If so good news I guess.
The Google Play store is pretty laissez faire and requires little to no licensing. I also wasn’t referring to apps made for children I was referring to censorship being used as an excuse to leverage your own products over any sort of competition. If what you say is true and that the censorship isn’t as strict as I’ve been led to believe then this is moot.
I personally don’t like Apple and won’t be convinced otherwise.
I’m going to ignore that article you linked because it’s two years old and Apple has been improving their security in that time and the article would cover things that are completely useless now anyway. I’m not really sure what you mean by the second part of your response as that was a statement about how stores monitor what they sell generally and not specific to apple, also what do you mean by the licensing? As for the topic of censorship to leverage their own products it encounters a little odd thing apple does, they give most of their software away for free (as far as I can tell at least), with the release of the newest os even that is free, they pretty much make their money off of hardware and their cut of sales from the app store/itunes, the main software they charge for is their advanced multimedia tools and they don’t seem to have stymied the opposition at all there.
And in it you ignore the fact that the article linked before that was from '08 it’s a long standing issue.
The fee leveraged for a developers kit. Google’s Android is Linux based and therefore $0.00
What free software? Safari? iTunes (which you need to pay for content)? Quicktime? Those are all necessary features in an OS. How else can they counter Windows Media Player and IE.
If you’re going to ignore my article no problem I suppose I can ignore your anecdotal counterarguments. At least I went through the trouble of gaining supporting documents. No Apple teams went to the event in 2013 and so there are no “recent” supporting documents take that as you will.
again, good healthy discussion folks… let’s remember, we’re still one big happy voxel family… 
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Pass the salt?
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