Contstructed Language Learning Group

Klingon is probably the most popular conlang… though “Around a dozen fluent speakers (1996)”… I wonder how many people today could be considered fluent.

The shortage of free vocab might be a problem =[ But I’ll add Klingon to the list anyway =] (As if I could say no to klingon, lol)

I do own The Offical Kilngon Dictionary by Marc Okrand (available from amazon for around $12) So I could help look up words for people who can’t get a copy of the book. The book also includes grammar, so it’s not just a dictionary ; ]

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I was going to say Sindarin so I will vote for it! definitely not Quenya …

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im going to vote for this one! im not sure i actually really fit in here, ive never learned a second language and i understand/know next to nothing about conlangs…

I’d definitely vote Sindarin. I’ve read through the Elements in (Quenya and) Sindarin Names section of The Silmarillion but this would be a great place to expand my knowledge. If we get past that then learning to write Tengwar would be great. Whilst I understand the whole idea of an abugida, the assignment of consonants and letters still eludes me. I feel I should learn some more IPA terminology and re-read the section in The Appendices


On another note, here’s another language I’ve begun construction. As Tolkien didn’t expand the Khuzdul concept, I took the liberty of making one:

#The Dwarvish Language:


Spoken Language:


The tongues known to all dwarves are Khuzhud and The Common Tongue. Khuzud is the standard language of the dwarves and everyone knows it. The Common Tongue (English) is not a first language, though almost all dwarves know it as it is learnt from a young age


Written language:


Runes are used for all dialects of dwarvish, as well as for the common tongue. Before being written in Dwarvish, however, the text being transcribed is changed to Dwarvish spelling rules.


Runes’ History


Dwarf-runes were originally created during the time of The Dawn of the Goblins. It was developed a way of telling dwarves the location of their stashed-away goodies. When the goblins first came, the dwarves were ill-prepared and had to evacuate their hallowed halls. To know where they’d stored away all their treasure, the dwarves carved runes into the floor that goblins could not understand but the dwarves knew that they would lead them to their treasure. The dwarves never returned to their ancient halls, though the legacy of their evacuation lives on


A guide to Rægäk spelling.


Vowels


Note: a bar above a vowel (like ō) implies that the vowel be spoken as it would be in singular form, thus goat is gōt, and sheep is shēp


The Letter A


A is a ‘neutral A’ and takes the form of the A in ‘bash’.
Ä is a ‘deep A’ and is the sound of the a in ‘bar’.
Å is the ‘long-deep A’ and is simply a longer version of ä.
 represents a ‘long-neutral A’ and is used for longer versions of a, though it adds more voice.
Á is an ‘ascending A’, meaning that the tone goes upwards. Furthermore, it is used to mark where the stress is.
À, the ‘descending A’ is rarely used, and it’s most common usage is in the recording of spoken word- if someone says a word with a in it harshly, this mark is often used.
Æ is the ‘AE’ and holds a similar sound to ë, thus the sound in ‘bay’. Whilst ë is used most commonly used at the end of a word, æ is preferable for the middle.


A guide to Rægäk spelling II


Vowels


The Letter E


E is a ‘neutral E’ and takes the form of the E in ‘Then’.
Ë is a ‘modified E’ and is used mainly at the beginning or end of a word. It is the e in ‘Hey’
Ê is the ‘voiced E’ and is a neutral E but ending with a sound created from the back/roof of the mouth- a further voiced ehh sound.
É represents a 'Rising E ’ meaning the tone rises .It is also used to add stress to the syllable it is in, but also when combined with o to separate diphthongs. In this instance it means ey-oh or ey-uh.
È is a 'falling E’, meaning that the tone goes downwards. Furthermore, if É is used for stress, or to separate a diphthong, the falling E can be used fro stress


A guide to Rægäk spelling III


Vowels


The Letter I


I is a ‘neutral I’ and takes the form of the I in ‘Tin’.
Î is the 'Modified I’ and is the I in Malawi, though it is “tighter”
Í represents a 'Rising I ’ meaning the tone rises. It also has a similar tone to the ‘Modified I’, but can also denote stress.
Ì, the ‘descending I’ is rarely used, and it’s most common usage is in the recording of spoken word- if someone says a word with a in it harshly, this mark is often used.


A guide to Rægäk spelling IV


Vowels


The Letter O


O is a ‘neutral O’ and takes the form of the O in ‘Hog’.
Ö is a ‘deep O’ and is the sound in ‘hoot’
Ô is the ‘voiced O’ and is a neutral O but ending with a sound created from the back/roof of the mouth- a further voiced ohh sound.
Ó represents a 'Rising O ’ meaning the tone rises .It is also used to add stress to the syllable it is in. It is also somewhat similar to the ‘voiced O’
Ò is a 'falling O’, meaning that the tone goes downwards. Furthermore, if O is used for stress, or to separate a diphthong, the falling O can be used for stress
Ø is the ‘long-deep O’ and is simply a longer version of ö.


A guide to Rægäk spelling V


Vowels


The Letter U


U is a ‘neutral U’ and takes the form of the U in ‘Hug’.
Ü is a ‘deep U’ and is the sound in ‘shrew’
Û is the 'modified U’ and is either a you or your sound, thus ‘stupid’ has a ‘modified U’, but so does ‘Durin’.
Ú represents a 'Rising U ’ meaning the tone rises .It is also used to add stress to the syllable it is in. It is also somewhat similar to the ‘deep U’, though obviously, the tone rises.
Ù is a 'falling U’, meaning that the tone goes downwards. Furthermore, if Ú is used for stress, or to separate a diphthong, the falling O can be used for stress


A guide to Rægäk spelling VI


NOTES: (I)


Vowel Combinations:


Äu, if said alone, takes the sound of ore (oar or or), or bore (or boar). This vowel combination is most notably found in ‘Näugrim’.
Au is the ‘ow’ sound and is most notably found in the other name for the Smith facet of the undergod: Aulë
Ôi is the sound of the Spanish muy (and voy…and soy). For non-Spanish speakers/learners- ôi is the sound in joy (or coy).


A guide to Rægäk spelling VII


NOTES: (II)


The Apostrophe and the forward slash:


  • For words with an -e suffix (i.e. -er, -en, -ed) an apostrophe replaces the e. (Therefore, -'r -'n -'d)
  • Letter combinations such as th, sh ,Äu, Au, ôi etc. can sometimes cause a mix-up with pronunciation. Therefore, to differentiate between words such as Nor-grim and Nar-uh-grim, a froward slash would be used for the Nar-uh-grim example- thus: Nä/ugrim. The forward slash acts as a separator of the letter combination.

Further Notes:


  • When transcribing into Dwarvish, it should be noted that there are many vowels with the same and similar sounds. When transcribing, it should thus be advised to use the vowel most similar with the vowel being replaced/modified. Therefore, Malawi is transcribed as Muläwí as opposed to Muläwē.
  • Archaic Letters: the letters Å,ø,ð and ß are considered Archaic. The general rule is that Å is a longer Ä and Ø is a longer Ö. However, this rule is only rather loosely followed, and in many instances does not change the length of the vowel. The rule for ð is that it is the TH in then, not thin- however, TH or ð makes very little difference to the reader, only to the writer. All the reader must remember is to pronounce it as a TH. ß is normally used to represent the z-s sound, found in ‘was’ or ‘rose’, therefore, woß and rōß. As with ð, the use of ß is dying out in Dwarvish, though the use of Å and ø is still going strong. This is partly due to a tradition in Dwarvish that a word shouldn’t have two same diacritics one after the other. To this end, Dwarvish has many duplicate sounds- and Å&ø fulfil this purpose.

Elements in Dwarvish.


Sër- Lake
Aüðek- Glory
Üðêr- Holy
Gûth- Tree
Bröth- Doom
Tóroth- Hill
Blîzrë- Gate(s)
Kûthë- Prison, Dungeon
Färoð- Tower
Erêh- Mighty
Gyæth- Gravel
Kîlth- Fang
Lötog- Bow
Máröth- Skill
Jüstå- Shadow
Tárath- Battle
Tól(wë)- Land
Lårüth- Wolf
Ölkh- Dark
Sjåg- Sea
Quälós- Elf
Blîkh- Wall
Ûlå- Star
Jölgå- Gloom
Nókh- Stone
Nad- Cave
Rökh- Sorcery, Witchcraft
-rim- Person
-ríd- People
Wörókh- Cold
Rîghan- Child
Trü- Mist
Zárath- Bridge
Tôroth- Commander
Mókht- Earth, Soil
Wökh- Ice
År(wë)- Plain
Wølmë- Snow
Jálarë- Jewel
Fjårlë- Fire
Näug(rim)- Dwarf
Yílbür- Water
Gin(wë)- Mountain
Köralôth- Fortress
Fåtöth- Goat
Plárnë- Horse
Gjæralë- Rage
Vrög- Blood
Lálk- River


Whilst there’s no grammar, I made a set of words and an IPA-style vowel-placement set of rules

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You @mentioned me in this post… Did you copy and paste this from the GOLD private message? :slight_smile:

Yeah, then deleted that and some others because it wasn’t relevant.

Of course you do =D

@BloodW0lf, @8BitCrab, and @dwarf Your votes have been added =]
Remember, you can vote for multiple languages if you want.

@dwarf It’s true that Tolkein never really fleshed out Khuzdul =[ but it looks like you have a start on your own =]
Also… what is this about GOLD? lol

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Oh goodness…@Geoffers747, it was not my intent to mention any thing mapgam-ey. I just asked @dwarf about my PM with him, nothing else

@chimeforest, the GOLD is the Grand Old League of Dwarves, a coalition of dwarf nations in the Lomarian map game. We’ve (mainly @dwarf) have created quite a bit of information relating to it WRT history, culture, and language. I even created a number system for it.

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Dwarves don’t really love gold. They just say that to get it in bed with them.

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Ah okay, say no more :wink:
That’s really cool and clever though =D

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I am up for sindarin, lets communicate with those elves! I got the Silmarillion so that should help with its “origins” (not really but cool for its background).

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@Yosmo78 Your vote has been added =]
lol, I have the simarillion too =D Great for background stuff ^^
I can’t remember, does it have language appendixes like RotK?

Sindarin is now in the lead at 4 votes with Toki Pona following at 2.

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A “Language” that I would love to try and speak is The Ancient Language from the Inheritance Cycle “Eragon”. It is not as original as Sindarin etc but holds a spot in my hart ( no joke ). It is not as well done as Sindarin so I would go with one or the other I am fine with. Here is a cool pdf file with just about everything you need to know about it http://www.paolini.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/An-introduction-to-the-Ancient-Language.pdf and yes " The Ancient Language " I sort of a stupid name but maybe we could come up with our own …

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Hmm… looks like there is enough info in that 44 pg pdf that we could get a understanding of the language at least. It has been added to the list.

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There’s a section called: Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names that has little words from Q and S that explain names. There’s also Appendix F to LOTR, which deals with several of the languages of Middle Earth.

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:angry:

Count me in too. Sindarin is amazing.

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@Dwalus Not a fan of the Eragon either I see, lol

Your vote has been added, Sindarin in still in the lead with 5, Toki Pona following with 2. Welcome aboard =]

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I didn’t realize a) we already went into voting and b) we have several votes. ^^ In this case I’d obviously vote for Klingon, but also for Toki Pona, the concept you described sounds interesting! ^^

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@Raffo lol yup yup, we are voting =]
I’ve added your vote for Toki Pona, which gives it a total of 3 votes
(Since you proposed Kilngon, you have already “Voted” for it =P )

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I think I’ll ‘keep the polls open’… so to say… until Monday Morning. That way any stragglers will have a chance to vote =3 (cough@15phoenix51cough)

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