Alpha General Questions [the common stuff goes here]!

[LlywMiner]

@hert

doesnt block the doorways as sometimes a citizen can get stuck inside the house and cant get out because of the scaffolding.

We actually have an old post about that!

Way to prevent citizens from getting stuck inside unfinished building?

Right, well, I rather like that they’re able to climb up the scaffolding only at one point (although it would be nice if that was visually indicated with perhaps a makeshift ladder or something) but there could perhaps be a similar climbing point up on the other side, accessible via the door. Of course, the clambering animation would be cooler (but more work as well, I imagine).

@silberling

The major one: Bulding fences, tables, … sometimes they are floating instead of placed on the ground (new bug) and sometimes can not be moved again (showing the translucent new object place but nothing is done, since the last version I tried).

Is this the same bug?

[con] Hovering table -- "gravity without physics" bug alluded to in dev blog?

Title: hovering table Summary: I placed two tables next to each other – I thought they had no overlap, but I may have been mistaken – and the second one to be placed hovered in the air slightly above ground level (Fig. 1). This may be the “Gravity without physics” bug alluded to in the dev blog, in which case this would not be anything new, but it might still be good to have a thread for it as a place of discussion, or something. Steps to reproduce: Have not tried, but I would assume just craf…

@silberling

Baskets with food not always transported to stock, no reason discoverable, citizens starving.

This is reported here

Citizens idle when they shouldn't

Title: Builders idle with wood available outside stockpile Summary: Most of my citizens were building two houses, when at some point they just stopped and started idling on the worksite (Fig. 1). You can see that there is no wood in my stockpile(s), but wood is lying about outside it (Fig. 2). Not sure if relevant, but I also had the citizens collect berries from all over the map, most of which were still lying around in baskets where they had been picked from the bushes. Steps to reproduce: I…

[silberling]

Thanks for the links Gonna read them as soon as I have time

[HyperDioxide]

Is it normal that in the latest Alpha 4 the trapper knife is not there,when you start the game?

[Phagocytosis]

Yes, this was the case for the release before this as well; to be short, it’s the case in Alpha 4. The trapper is being reconsidered by the developers after feedback from the players, related to the direct control you could exert on them. It should be added again when it’s been redone. In the last release, you could still get a trapper if a traveller brought or traded a trapper’s knife. Not sure if that’s still the case; I haven’t seen it in either version.

[HyperDioxide]

Thanks for the info!

[reapergames1990]

the devs need to consider lowering the price for the alpha, 30$ for an alpha is not a good price for an early alpha game. 20$ maybe but not 30$. I only say this cause I really wanna see this game succeed but with a price of 30$ just for the alpha it not going to attract a lot of people, the forest is only 15$ for god sake and rust is 20$ I don’t see this game getting the attention it deserves with a 30$ price, just to get the alpha your paying for the game twice since the preorder is 15$ whats the point of getting the alpha if you have to buy the game twice just to help with development.

[SteveAdamo]

welcome aboard @reapergames1990!

@reapergames1990

just to help with development

you sort of nailed it right there…

those who want to fund the development, who have the additional funds, who want to participate in the early builds and development process, and who do not wish to wait until the public release…

and given that said public release is slated for next month, there is little reason to adjust the process now…

[Geoffers747]

Just to add to what @steveadamo said, its also a kind of legacy price, in that during the kickstarter alpha access tier was priced at $30 and up, so it’d be a bit of a slap in the face to then offer alpha at $15.

Also the relatively high price ensures that the people who invest will likely be those that want to help out in bug reports etc. I think this is a big point as this really should be considered alpha and not early access - the game is still coming together, there are bugs and crashes.

As Steve has mentioned with a release in September which will be for the $15 backers it seems somewhat redundant altering the pricing now, although perhaps there is something to be said about that, especially if someone were to back $30 the day before the September release.

I think we’ve had this discussion somewhere else but I wont be at a laptop to link anything for a good 7 or 8 hours so maybe someone else can link the thread?

Also don’t forget there have been other alphas with huge prices, planetary annihilation and wasteland 2 i believe were something like $80 or $90 +.

[Smokestacks]

After all, my $50 pledge on KS was obviously to get the benefits of the tier (2 alphas + 2 betas plus animalz!!!), but the reason I didn’t mind paying as much as many AAA releases was to support the devs. Because I am very happy to be a part of the funding to let these awesome dudes set up a gaming company that could last and bring out some awesome titles. Plus, the more money they have, the more stuff they can do and the better it will be for it.

[untrustedlife]

Hello Team Radient, I haven’t played for awhile and i just came back to stonehearth, the game is looking GREAT!

It runs like silk.

The Building system is very very well made and fun to experiment with and cool in general!

And I love the new trapper (so much better then the old trapper and fun to watch, but we cant get pets anymore, can you add the ability for us to choose whether or not a certain animal becomes a pet or something like that? Because Im hoping we will get war animals at some point when you start working on the multiple playstyles you promised us (part of the reason i bought the game)(conquest being one that was specified)

Will people still level up, is that still planned or will we just upgrade them? (The upgrades are what I am referring to)
If so How will you do it?

Either way its cool, im just curious.

Also When will we start seeing new enemies (Like zombies) and the dungeons that were mentioned awhile back?

but other then those couple little suggestions I am loving the game right now, its so fun to sit back and watch your town once you get ato a point (Im a big fan of the simulation aspect in games like this (part of why im so into dwarf fortress)

Thanks for all the hard work team radiant!

Also, Hiya discourse… You miss me?

[Geoffers747]

Hey @untrustedlife! Moved you over here as I felt it was more appropriate than using a new thread

[Phagocytosis]

@untrustedlife

And I love the new trapper (so much better then the old trapper and fun to watch, but we cant get pets anymore, can you add the ability for us to choose whether or not a certain animal becomes a pet or something like that?

We can get pets, it’s just that it’s a small chance and that they were broken. See this thread. However, as you can also see in that thread (near the end), this has been fixed and pets will be in the next patch more properly.

Also excellent taste re:Dwarf Fortress

[SteveAdamo]

@untrustedlife

It runs like silk.

likewise… my performance is pretty stellar… granted, Wesley is a beast… just sayin’ …

@untrustedlife

And I love the new trapper

again, likewise! I love not only the improvement to the class, but that it happened (at least partially) as a result of listening to their customers…

@untrustedlife

Will people still level up, is that still planned or will we just upgrade them

I believe so yes… but we don’t know the specifics just yet…

@untrustedlife

new enemies

soon … hopefully very soon!

@untrustedlife

Also, Hiya discourse… You miss me

well… welcome back!

[George]

i leave them for the goblins to take so they don’t mess with my villagers

[George]

Hi will we be having rotation of objects in the game yet? like chairs etc. Plus the ability to deconstruct stuff? oh also there is a bug i keep getting in the buggy alpha for release where the carpenter and sometimes the weaver, just stop working, they won’t build anything or craft. they just mill about.

next on my little list of things i wanna say is, its a dam cute game which i like, but the the enemies at the moment are kinda game breaking because they slaughter your people and you don’t have enough people to have as guards. Next is you can’t place stockpiles on floors, so you can’t build say a carpenters house and have a work room for him etc. which i find annoying.

none the less liking the game, you have a good base down and i think things will fall into place quickly, maybe not the digging i can see that being difficult.

[Geoffers747]

@George

Hi will we be having rotation of objects in the game yet?

You can already rotate items by pressing the . and , keys it shows you on the bottom left of the screen during item placement (see screenshot)

@George

Plus the ability to deconstruct stuff?

Deconstruction will be in eventually as far as we know.

@George

but the the enemies at the moment are kinda game breaking because they slaughter your people and you don’t have enough people to have as guards

The way around this (without messing about with the files) is to simply ignore the first goblin that appears, if you don’t kill it then you won’t be attacked by goblins.

@George

Next is you can’t place stockpiles on floors, so you can’t build say a carpenters house and have a work room for him etc. which i find annoying.

Yer this is known and I believe something high up on the list of things to rectify as we all want to be placing things within buildings

[George]

thanks man, super helpful

[wisp]

After playing some time Alpha 3, I found a few stuff that should be looked at on gameplay because they pretty much broke my gameplay experience. Ofc these are just suggestions of how I played it:

1. Easier way to totally abort what you are doing. Sometimes I was stuck with a character selected waiting to a destination, and nothing I could do would take me out of that mode. What I did expect was that choosing something outside of the scope, I would abort that behaviour, like choosing another character (which is not possible in this example) it would abort my movement/action option and move to that character options instead

2. ESC almost always get me to the menu. Maybe if you have anything open like a character option, a screen whatever, ESC would close that first, this implementing the above “easier way to abort”

3. While trying to abort making a house, somehow I clicked a place where a house was not even possible to be built and it accepted the command, and the characters build just a wall! lol. needs a better double-checking if there is enough room for the house. Also, we should get whenever possible a way to UNDO stuff. “oh that house doesn’t seem right, let me order my toons to demolish it” … so “oh why did they build this wall?” can be fixed by telling them to tear it down.

4. Are we going to see better animation on a tree being taken down? atm it just vanishes. Maybe make the voxels go disapearing from borders to core (leaves) then from top to bottom. Maybe even at certain stage “fall” the tree.

5. Are we going to get the oposite too? planting trees? =p

Well those are my questions based on alpha 3, ty for reading.

[Phagocytosis]

@wisp, thank you for your thoughts, but are you aware that there is a prerelease available for Alpha 4? Information on how to access it using Steam is available here. You commented on the thread for alpha 4 questions, after all. Mind you, a good number of the suggestions you had were not yet implemented, but it’s still got some very nice stuff in it.