# Make Cramped Environment Debuff Less Powerful

**URL:** <https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898>\
**Category:** Other Reports\
**Tags:** caused\_by\_mod\
**Created:** [April 24, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898 "2017-04-24T11:29:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/1 "2017-04-24T11:29:25Z")

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Ok so about an hour ago I wanted to make an underground dwelling for a change. After a few minutes of digging into a mountainside, I started to get notifications of Hearthlings being severely low health, I was really confused when this happened.

At first I thought it was because there wasn’t enough food, but the daily report said I had well over enough food for the whole colony, then I noticed it was the cramped environment debuff.

Even in a 11x11 room Hearthlings still feel cramped and start to lose health overtime, so I think the cramped environment should be less powerful or it should only lessen the mood of the Hearthling, not their actual health.

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**Author:** ![Logo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/logo/32/54278_2.png) [@Logo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Logo)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/2 "2017-04-24T11:31:48Z")

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Whoa I didn’t know they could lose health from that debuff. Are you using any mods? If you use the Stonehearth Café mod and your hearthlings are thirsty they’ll lose health too.

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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/3 "2017-04-24T11:34:56Z")

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Im not sure, I checked everyone’s status and no one was hungry or thirsty…

I am using the Cafe mod and other various mods though.

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**Author:** ![Logo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/logo/32/54278_2.png) [@Logo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Logo)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:36am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/4 "2017-04-24T11:36:59Z")

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Yikes, if it’s not being caused by hunger/thrist and it’s from the cramped environment that sounds way too strong. I’m a very slow builder so my poor hearthlings end up spending months sleeping under the stars lol.

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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:45am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/5 "2017-04-24T11:45:13Z")

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Ok so I trapped some Hearthlings inside a small wall for a while and they started to lose health. Now i’m actually not sure if it’s because they slept on the ground or because of the cramped environment… xD

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**Author:** ![Logo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/logo/32/54278_2.png) [@Logo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Logo)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/6 "2017-04-24T11:47:40Z")

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Haha, it happens. Still a good idea for someone to look into it just in case.

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**Author:** ![tim1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@tim1](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/tim1)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/7 "2017-04-24T11:51:43Z")

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This might be the cafe mod. Since alpha 21 I’ve noticed the thirst popup not correctly appearing and only being reminded of the need to produce more drinks or water the moment hearthlings start to lose health.

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**Author:** ![Logo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/logo/32/54278_2.png) [@Logo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Logo)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/8 "2017-04-24T11:58:17Z")

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That’s why I was wondering. I had a massive panic moment, got caught up watching my hearthlings build and wasn’t paying attention to water. 30 hearthlings spread over a very large area all losing health, clerics leveling like crazy trying to keep folks alive, and I’m frantically zippin’ around to cancel building projects and get them to harvest water. :glum:

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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/9 "2017-04-24T12:01:57Z")

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Oh. That may be the case. XD I’m still really new to Stonehearth.

Anyways, the cramped environment should still be not as strong…

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**Author:** ![BrunoSupremo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/brunosupremo/32/54819_2.png) [@BrunoSupremo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/BrunoSupremo)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/10 "2017-04-24T13:51:07Z")

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Besides your problem with the mod, keep in mind that they are not only checking for horizontal space! They need head space too. If your ceiling is just 4 blocks tall (from a tunnel mined with the 4x4x4 tool) then they will always feel cramped! You need at least 6 block tall space first, then they start looking for horizontal space.

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**Author:** ![Golden](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/golden/32/37004_2.png) [@Golden](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Golden)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/11 "2017-04-24T18:02:14Z")

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On my last play through I made underground rooms for my non-crafter hearthlings for the first half of the game. I noticed NO cramped feelings at all and I checked to make sure. Each room was 8x8, with one comfy bed, one lantern on the wall, and a double door. I didn’t extend the ceiling either.

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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/12 "2017-04-25T00:17:01Z")

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Thanks man, I started out a new game and extended the ceiling to 6 blocks tall. They don’t have the cramped environment issue anymore. I didn’t know that 😛 I started Stonehearth quite recently.

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**Author:** ![potato\_yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@potato\_yes](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/potato_yes)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/13 "2017-04-25T00:32:27Z")

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**UPDATE:** Honestly it’s such a hassle trying to mine out 6 block tall areas, especially big ones.

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**Author:** ![Golden](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/golden/32/37004_2.png) [@Golden](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Golden)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/14 "2017-04-25T03:49:02Z")

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I just double checked and my ceilings are the normal 4 block high, dug out with the 64-cube mining tool. I don’t understand why you’re getting the cramped condition when I’m not. :glum:

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**Author:** ![MostlyLost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3be4f8/32.png) [@MostlyLost](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/MostlyLost)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/15 "2017-04-25T14:42:42Z")

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Mine out 4-high areas with the cube tunnel tool, then use the individual block tool to shear away two more blocks of floor. There are better ways, but there aren’t easier ones =)

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**Author:** ![Gaddiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@Gaddiel](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Gaddiel)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/make-cramped-environment-debuff-less-powerful/29898/16 "2017-04-25T17:27:52Z")

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It’s the Cafe Mod. It has known bugs with the latest build.

> [@Hearthlings loosing health for no apparent reason](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/hearthlings-loosing-health-for-no-apparent-reason/29859):
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> So this has happened to me twice now and both times its ended my game. It seems the Hearthlings just start loosing health randomly and then they get to their beds and slowly die. Did I miss the update where epidemics were added? open_mouth Anyone know what could be happening to make them loose health and how I can fix it?