# Horrible performance even though my machine exceeds recommended hardware?

**URL:** <https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670>\
**Category:** Performance\
**Created:** [December 5, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670 "2018-12-05T21:32:35Z")\
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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/1 "2018-12-05T21:32:35Z")

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I have played for a total of 5 hours, I have a small settlement with 11 people, 4 buildings, 4 farm plots and a trapping area. Sounds simple, right? Then why does SH regularly eat up 90+% of CPU, ~50% of RAM and 80+% of GPU according to Task Manager? All graphics settings are at min. at first performance was just slow-ish but tolerable and it crashed about once per hour, now it is unplayable. It will launch but it takes a couple of MINUTES and freezes as soon as you see the world.

This game is really fun and I want to keep playing it ☹ help please.

My specs:  
Intel HD Graphics 620  
Intel Core i7 2.7ghz/2.9 ghz  
16 gb RAM  
Win10, 64 bit

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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/2 "2018-12-05T21:35:43Z")

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I switched to the r915 beta but it didn’t change anything.

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**Author:** ![paulthegreat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/paulthegreat/32/62395_2.png) [@paulthegreat](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/paulthegreat)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/3 "2018-12-05T21:56:13Z")

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Your integrated graphics may exceed the _minimum_ system requirements, but it’s far below the _recommended_ requirements. Your other specs merely meet (barely) the recommended requirements, not exceed them. And are you using a hard disk drive (HDD) or a (recommended) solid state drive (SSD)?

That said, you certainly do exceed the _minimum_ system requirements, so I suspect a Radiant representative will ask you for some further information, including a save game file.

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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/4 "2018-12-05T22:01:14Z")

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My hd is an ssd and enabling vsync seems to have helped (meaning, I could actually play for a few minutes) but now it’s back to freezing on load or randomly while playing.

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**Author:** ![Relyss](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/relyss/32/41785_2.png) [@Relyss](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Relyss)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 9:30am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/5 "2018-12-06T09:30:07Z")

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@Strombolian, please upload a savefile that it’s laggy:

1. Find the save folder for the saves you wish to upload. By default, they are located in `C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Stonehearth\saved_games` (assuming a default Steam install).
2. Zip the folder.
  1. Right click the folder (should be named a long set of numbers).
  2. Left click on `Send to` in the menu that appears.
  3. Left click on `Compressed (Zipped) folder).
  4. _(Optional)_ Rename the folder to something different than the default set of numbers.

3. Upload the save.
  1. If the zip is less than 10 MB, you can upload it directly. Either use the upload button or drag and drop it into the compose window,
  2. If larger than 10 MB, upload it to a cloud storage site like Dropbox, Google Drive, File Dropper, etc. and post the sharing link here.

One question, when it crashes, do you get a crash.zip or crash.dmp file inside the `C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Stonehearth` folder? If so could you upload it too?

The freezes you mention feel like a 3rd party application is interferring with the game, but it could also be something else.

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**Author:** ![Wouter\_Sikkema](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/wouter_sikkema/32/61482_2.png) [@Wouter\_Sikkema](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Wouter_Sikkema)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/6 "2018-12-06T10:20:30Z")

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also, you say, freeze, do you meen hickup sort of freeze-and continue, or just blatant freeze and stay there for ever?

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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/7 "2018-12-06T21:14:09Z")

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Thanks for the responses! I would love it if it were some interference I could fix, rather than the sad state of my hardware.

The freezes are total graphics freeze, the sound continues on but gpu usage falls to 0% and no controls are effective.

Here is my save: [strombolian\_auto\_save.zip - Google Drive](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vG8QDhAKNbz2JJV30Qkfpm6w-GktpoX-/view?usp=sharing)

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**Author:** ![Banto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/banto/32/68768_2.png) [@Banto](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Banto)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 7:57am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/8 "2018-12-07T07:57:16Z")

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When this happens game crashes or it like stops showing updates like game is still frozen?  
If so it sounds to me like what you would experience when your graphics card driver crashes like when you overclock ect but it could still crash for other reasons it will drop to 0% usage and also return to default clocks on your graphics card.

are you overclocking?

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**Author:** ![Relyss](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/relyss/32/41785_2.png) [@Relyss](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Relyss)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/9 "2018-12-07T11:07:53Z")

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> [@Strombolian](#):
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> It will launch but it takes a couple of MINUTES and freezes as soon as you see the world.

The UI takes a bit to load after the game shows up after loading. If you wait for a bit it should finish loading and the game speed will be restored.

Still trying to repro the other freezes you mention. Does reducing the number of lights and shadows to the minimum help? I wonder if it’s crashing for you at night.

Did you try updating your graphic drivers from your manufacturer’s website? [Intel® Driver & Support Assistant](https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html)

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**Author:** ![Mihokyo\_Yalbay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@Mihokyo\_Yalbay](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Mihokyo_Yalbay)\
**Post date:** [December 7, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/10 "2018-12-07T18:56:17Z")

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Hello i have some problem of performance to but with topology…  
It’s using most of the time 70/80 % of the process

I’m playing with Azu as same time without mod and we have 20 peoples each. I’m the host and when i play alone i can play with 40 peoples without anylag (on old version)

![Topology](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/stonehearth/original/3X/9/5/9595484a570b55c3cccbab652abe9d79391bec51.png)

I will add the save later because we are actualy online

[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VBI6Fej245CQrkwD7M8ssDcsGxVdmMz3](https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VBI6Fej245CQrkwD7M8ssDcsGxVdmMz3)

Its average after 1 hour playing the lag is coming

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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/11 "2018-12-08T18:11:28Z")

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@Relyss yss Yes, I know the UI lags but that’s not what I was referring to. I meant that the loading screen with the blue progress bar takes several minutes, then I see the world but it’s permanently frozen. I left it alone for 15 minutes once and nothing changed. Normally the UI takes 30 sec max to figure itself out after the world comes into view.

Yesterday it was running fine for a few hours but now that save will not load. Or maybe it does but there’s some graphics issue - I never progress beyond the load screen, but I can hear game sounds. The sounds fade if I mousewheel out, and I hear the menu sound if I hit esc, just as if I was in the game, I just can’t see anything. Only the load screen. Weird. Plenty of reboots and stuff, no change. Then I turned off vsync and fallback rendered and it WILL LOAD! so I wait for UI to come up and things to start moving, then I turn on vsync and fallback while in-game and I’m back in business. No sound though, I only get sound like half the time I launch the game.

It’s too bad this game has so many problems even though it’s been around for years, since it is so well designed and fun to play.

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**Author:** ![Relyss](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/relyss/32/41785_2.png) [@Relyss](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Relyss)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/12 "2018-12-08T18:23:56Z")

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> [@Strombolian](#):
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> but now that save will not load.

Is it the save that you uploaded above? I was able to load it just fine 🤔

If it’s a different one, could you upload it so that devs can take a look at it?

Also could you upload the stonehearth log after trying to load that game (like, let it be stuck in the loading screen for a couple minutes, then close the game and upload the stonehearth.log here).

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**Author:** ![Strombolian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Strombolian](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Strombolian)\
**Post date:** [December 8, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/13 "2018-12-08T18:25:44Z")

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It’s a later version of that save. I’ll post those things in a bit.

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**Author:** ![Banto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/banto/32/68768_2.png) [@Banto](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Banto)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/14 "2018-12-09T16:18:06Z")

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> [@Mihokyo\_Yalbay](#):
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> topology

on the map i play now with ![bild](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/stonehearth/original/3X/4/1/41da1f60dcb9697211a0ff4511f3e4f2e63374b4.png) i sometimes get this high usage i guess its related to mining but not really sure 😃 makes the game run laggy not fps but hearthlings lagging

rally hearthlings makes it stay at 0% for a while tho

**Update**  
seems to be buildings a bit into the game everytime they place 1 block the game lags with topology 100%

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**Author:** ![Relyss](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/relyss/32/41785_2.png) [@Relyss](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Relyss)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/15 "2018-12-10T11:42:33Z")

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Were you playing at high speed, @Banto?

Could you upload that savefile, or does the high topology disappear after a reload?

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**Author:** ![Banto](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/banto/32/68768_2.png) [@Banto](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Banto)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/16 "2018-12-10T11:50:29Z")

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it was happening even at normal game speed.  
if i remember right it did disappear after reload but i will check my save later because i kept a save when it was happening

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**Author:** ![gonzalandau](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/gonzalandau/32/67026_2.png) [@gonzalandau](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/gonzalandau)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/17 "2018-12-10T22:42:55Z")

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I just got the exact same problem @Banto described.

  
 ![topology](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/stonehearth/original/3X/b/2/b21302fe6699bffebaefe4d2e5065d87de4b41d5.jpeg)

I would upload a save file but it was when playing with the latest ACE branch (I actively work for ACE) so I don’t know if a save file would still be useful.

Edit: I am Schnabeldoktor, in case any one is wondering.

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**Author:** ![Mihokyo\_Yalbay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@Mihokyo\_Yalbay](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Mihokyo_Yalbay)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/18 "2018-12-11T20:26:48Z")

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It desappear when reload but it comeback when you play like 30min ~ or more

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**Author:** ![Azu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/azu/32/66771_2.png) [@Azu](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Azu)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/19 "2018-12-11T21:18:05Z")

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I have the same problem when people mine and when there are invaders.  
Playing with double speed is twice more long because of topology 😥

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**Author:** ![linda](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/linda/32/48510_2.png) [@linda](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/linda)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/horrible-performance-even-though-my-machine-exceeds-recommended-hardware/38670/20 "2018-12-15T01:25:36Z")

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Could you see if this still happens on the latest release on Steam (r937)?

@Banto / @Mihokyo_Yalbay / @Azu / @gonzalandau

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