# Alpha 17 - Donation to the church of plenty?

**URL:** <https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819>\
**Category:** Gameplay\
**Created:** [June 9, 2016, 6:50am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819 "2016-06-09T06:50:14Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![BrianNZ](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/briannz/32/45774_2.png) [@BrianNZ](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/BrianNZ)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 6:50am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/1 "2016-06-09T06:50:14Z")

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Hi,

What exactly is a donation to the church of plenty, and how do I make/find one? I appear to need one for tier 2 in A17, but I have no idea what it is or how to get one…?

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**Author:** ![jjjshab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@jjjshab](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/jjjshab)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/2 "2016-06-09T07:52:19Z")

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under the cook’s menu

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**Author:** ![BrianNZ](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/briannz/32/45774_2.png) [@BrianNZ](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/BrianNZ)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/3 "2016-06-09T07:53:33Z")

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Ah, cook. It would be. Easily the most useless class, so I never bother making one. ☹

Bummer, OK thanks. I guess I’ll have to turn one of my L6 farmers into a cook :-/

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**Author:** ![jjjshab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c0e974/32.png) [@jjjshab](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/jjjshab)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/4 "2016-06-09T07:55:36Z")

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:o

how do your livestock survive without a cook?!

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**Author:** ![djnator159](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/djnator159/32/30741_2.png) [@djnator159](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/djnator159)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/5 "2016-06-09T14:50:30Z")

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he probably doesn’t have livestock i think 😄

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**Author:** ![Reedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Reedo](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Reedo)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/6 "2016-06-09T15:34:44Z")

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The cook is sooo useful! (Don’t let the fact that he changes lots of food into a few food fool you. People can eat more servings of one soup than of three carrots)

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**Author:** ![Doc\_Brano](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/doc_brano/32/50733_2.png) [@Doc\_Brano](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Doc_Brano)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/7 "2016-06-09T17:15:43Z")

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so the cook makes the donation for the church?

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**Author:** ![brad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/brad/32/17835_2.png) [@brad](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/brad)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/8 "2016-06-09T17:59:00Z")

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We’re going to change the labeling for this so it’s clearer the Cook needs to craft the donation. Thanks!

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**Author:** ![BrianNZ](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/briannz/32/45774_2.png) [@BrianNZ](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/BrianNZ)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/9 "2016-06-09T21:56:17Z")

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Yes, I never really bother with livestock or a cook. I have tried it on my current game. I see the point now 🙂

@brad - one other point about the donation - you need so much food to make it (5 pies, 3 roast mutton etc) and they’re all the top end food, there needs to be a way of preventing your hearthlings from eating the stuff you’re trying to make for the donation 🙂. By the time you get stuff together, someone has inevitably eaten some of it.

Also, for the combat one, I have all the bits except veranus skins. I’ve only ever been attacked by 2 veranus’, and one of them didn’t drop a skin. I’m now at the end of month 2 and haven’t been atacked by another veranus in more than a month, although I do keep fighting off waves of other opponents. How can I fulfill the requirement if the randomness of the game makes it so I just never have the opportunity…? I have 10k networth, but can’t complete any of the requirements because I can’t make the donation, I can’t find a veranus, and there’s literally no reason to promote a herbalist to high level without turning them into a cleric other than just to make a single heavy bandage, which is a waste of a hearthling. I think the requirements may need some tweaking (IMO of course).

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**Author:** ![Kittyodoom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/kittyodoom/32/61413_2.png) [@Kittyodoom](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Kittyodoom)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/10 "2016-06-09T22:10:35Z")

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Pending when you last looked at them, I can understand that; in earlier alpha versions, they really weren’t worthwhile. In more recent ones, they’ve been gradually improving more and more.

Alternatively, pending how you feel on modding, [@Froggy’s Stonehearth Café](http://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/mod-stonehearth-cafe-cooking-and-farming-expansion-1-7/10159) can really change your view on them.

…herbalists, however, yea, I agree with you about them. I have NOT taken to that class, and much less so since Cleric has come in.

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**Author:** ![MoonSight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/moonsight/32/55148_2.png) [@MoonSight](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/MoonSight)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/11 "2016-06-09T22:16:27Z")

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Actually, there kinda is a reason to have a herbalist

The tonics!  
They give your town a stat buff for a short period of time, and makes your troop’s survivability a little bit more higher

I’ve had some combat situations in hard mode that i might’ve not won if i didn’t have acces to some strength tonics my dedicated herbalist made

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**Author:** ![Kittyodoom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/kittyodoom/32/61413_2.png) [@Kittyodoom](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Kittyodoom)\
**Post date:** [June 9, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/alpha-17-donation-to-the-church-of-plenty/22819/12 "2016-06-09T22:17:24Z")

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Hmm, I’ll have to experiment with those. I did admittedly shrug them off without trying them out too extensively.