# \[3019 + 3013\] Misc Combat Crash, 2x Background Ingame Load crash

**URL:** <https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338>\
**Category:** Crash Reports\
**Tags:** crash-dmp\_provided, log\_provided\
**Created:** [June 22, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338 "2016-06-22T17:38:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 7\
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**Author:** ![Vyrasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@Vyrasa](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Vyrasa)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/1 "2016-06-22T17:38:43Z")

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**Summary:**

[3019] Pure 3019 settlement. In combat, 3 footmen vs a large stone golem. Lots of microing the combat, pause - take a step - pause. Usually when a hearthling runs away, the stone golem will pick an adjacent target. This time it didn’t. Thought that was odd. Then the game autosaved. Then I did something, and a moment later it crashed - I don’t recall if I issued an order, but I think the last act was unpausing; the crash wasn’t instant, it seemed like the game crashed while trying to figure out how to unpause and resume the world. As usual, no error message.

[crash\_3019\_CTD1\_stutterstepCombat.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/803SKwSVMX2Lhg31RtA2rZVHahO.dmp) (264.8 KB)  
[stonehearth\_3019\_CTD1.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/g2YBJBqO7gVgerjBmWT6WNAAS9a.log) (64.1 KB)

[3013] Both crashes were the same basic circumstance. In the game, in combat, something goes wrong (I believe hearthling very recently died in both cases). Pause the game, ESC-\>load a recent save of the same world. Alt-tab to another window (Chrome browser). Game continues to load in the background. Eventually, roughly when I’d expect the load to complete, it crashes instead (as usual, application insta-closes, no error dialog or any such).

Starting Stonehearth up fresh, the same saves loaded in fine.

I’ve had other “crashes while loading a world while Stonehearth is not the focused application”, but these are the only two I thought to grab the crash dump for.

[crash\_3013\_CTD1\_whenLoadingFromIngame.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/crXwBpRMnzG3Ob1748GugH6zQo4.dmp) (159.3 KB)  
[stonehearth\_3013\_CTD1\_whenLoadingFromIngame.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/wPc3qTa3RCmS1S6jfsObWpKy38j.log) (57.8 KB)

[crash\_3013\_CTD2\_whenLoadingFromIngame.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/1sBdsOUJTjOJUNJEk4ooA1JMaiK.dmp) (157.9 KB)  
[stonehearth\_3013\_CTD2.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/s4B1WBTVr5JharXMH158ld35On8.log) (1.2 MB)

**Versions and Mods:**

Vanilla. 3019 I am sure was a pure world (ie generated in that version, no blueprints created in another version used). I believe the 3013s were also from pure worlds.

**System Information:**

Windows 7 (x64), GTX 460 (768mb version), separate monitor. Stonehearth is being run in windowed mode, drag-to-top-of-screen-style maximized (hence how you get the odd 1920x1018 resolution - I presume the task bar eats the other 62 pixels).

**Notes:**

Debated splitting this into two topics (3019, and 3013) vs one - two different game versions, different crash circumstances (though both in-combat), but not much context or detail or clues to give the posts any meat. Would be handy to know which you’d prefer.

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**Author:** ![Albert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/albert/32/45599_2.png) [@Albert](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Albert)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/2 "2016-06-22T18:25:13Z")

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I was able to get a little information from the dumps and logs, but it’s going to take a bit more digging to find the root cause. Thanks for posting!

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**Author:** ![Albert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/albert/32/45599_2.png) [@Albert](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Albert)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/3 "2016-06-22T18:32:11Z")

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Does anyone else get crashes when alt-tabbing to another app while loading a game?

Can some of you try this out?

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**Author:** ![8BitCrab](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/8bitcrab/32/48512_2.png) [@8BitCrab](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/8BitCrab)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/4 "2016-06-22T19:36:08Z")

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> [@Albert](#):
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> Does anyone else get crashes when alt-tabbing to another app while loading a game?
> 
> Can some of you try this out?

just tried loading some saves and alt-tabbing while they were loading and none of them caused a crash…

however i was alt-tabbing into firefox not chrome, and a hearthling hadn’t just died, so maybe those things are part of the reason it crashed for @Vyrasa?

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**Author:** ![Albert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/user_avatar/discourse.stonehearth.net/albert/32/45599_2.png) [@Albert](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Albert)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/5 "2016-06-22T19:54:13Z")

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I don’t think hearthling death is correlated. Running fullscreen or maximized might be a contributing factor though.

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**Author:** ![Vyrasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@Vyrasa](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Vyrasa)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/6 "2016-06-22T20:53:34Z")

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Some quick experimentation. One run of Stonehearth, running maximized windowed as usual:

- Loaded up my save. Let it run briefly (~10s?), loaded the same save again. Just fine.

- Set it to fastforward (keyboard ‘3’, 2x speed?), waiting for a combat encounter to show up. Spent this time in Chrome (I don’t expect that the ‘wait’ time being tabbed out is causal).

- Combat encounter spawns (small v-lizard). Have my 3 footmen respond. Exchange blows, some panic, I start telling them to run off (don’t want to kill the mob, since I personally suspect that the combat encounter being active is key).

- Start loading the save again, and switch back to Chrome (clicking on taskbar rather than alt-tab, if it matters). Stonehearth crashes.

[stonehearth\_3019\_CTD2\_bgLoad.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/xLjQmb5f4bGae7wtoIvdxg5LKGv.log) (50 KB)  
[crash\_3019\_CTD2\_bgLoad.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/pGBev7nEqGhz6Xbj1izknloU27q.dmp) (159.8 KB)

Trying to minimize my actions for another pass:

- load stonehearth, load the save. Switch from Pause ‘1’ to normal ‘2’, then to fastforward ‘3’. Swap back to chrome.
- Combat encounter spawns (golems). Pause it, click the ‘invaders’ banner, set time back to ‘2’, move camera around a bit. Footmen engage autonomously. Wait until the first one panics (also happens to trigger a low-health warning), load save. No crash. (so to be clear, I never issued any combat orders)

Closed and restarted Stonehearth to keep it cleaner. Version 3:

- Load Stonehearth, load save. Speed -\>2-\>3, pan camera a little, hit ‘7’ to select the combat squad (no orders issued), back to Chrome.
- Combat encounter spawns (wolf). -\>1 [pause, probably clicked invader banner]-\>2.
- Give ‘7’ (red flag) a move order. Footmen engage. While exchanging blows, I gave each footmen at least one move order, during various pauses.
- With game in ‘2’, load the save again. Crash.

[crash\_3019\_CTD3\_bgIgLoad.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/1Qiks2RmeQW02DtDaNgzZ9FsWOS.dmp) (155.8 KB)  
[stonehearth\_3019\_CTD3\_bgIgLoad.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/bmX2f6lYPkotMZgMKLCEfOhFT9w.log) (30.0 KB)

General notes:

- All of the above was done with the same save, an 11-pop, hardmode settlement. Its happened with other saves, however (most of which were Normal mode), so I don’t expect it’s anything special to the town. They’ve _probably_ all been Ascendency-Forest, with the save in the ‘paused’ state, though. All done with my usual drag-to-top-of-screen maximized.
- Most of the ‘real’ games have been exclusively in ‘1’ (paused) or ‘2’ (normal) - I’m using ‘3’ heavily just in these explicit tests. I mention it so much, just because I’m trying to note what I’m actually _doing_, and that’s most of the ‘actions’.
- While commonly being referred to as “alt-tabbing”, I actually do most of the Stonehearth-\>Chrome-\>Stonehearth transitions with clicks, either on the taskbar, window titlebar, or window content. Habit from many games not handling the Alt-state well after literally “alt-tabbing”.

While it’s no big test suite, hopefully that narrows it at least a little.

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**Author:** ![Vyrasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/87869e/32.png) [@Vyrasa](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/u/Vyrasa)\
**Post date:** [June 22, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/t/3019-3013-misc-combat-crash-2x-background-ingame-load-crash/23338/7 "2016-06-22T21:09:59Z")

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Just to try to steer away from blaming the ‘other app’ too much, I repeated a CTD3-esque scenario, but switched to Steam instead of Chrome during the load.

- Loaded in game, speed -\>2-\>3. Switched to Steam, Windows Explorer, and Textpad (again, doubt relevant).
- Combat encoutner spawned (wolf). ‘1’, clicked banner, ‘2’. Footmen autonomously engaged. ‘7’, gave the squad a move order. After they completed the move, gave each squad member individually a move order, spread over 2 pauses. Various bits of panning, largely with keyboard.
- After the last move was finished (and was running back to the wolf), started to load the save. Switched to Steam. Stonehearth crashed.

[stonehearth\_3019\_CTD4.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/A8A8maejG8ENdBLsKMJzCA9GPot.log) (32.9 KB)  
[crash\_3019\_CTD4.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/6Yim6gsr54qqFTYRoKSImjx4rqM.dmp) (160.1 KB)

Edit - Realized I was ignoring the obvious here. Trying the same basic scenario as CTD3&4, but just _not alt-tabbing during the load_: crash.

[stonehearth\_3019\_CTD5\_igLoad.log](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/47vo3PL70T5Gx9AwoS95YgeBfb2.log) (29.8 KB)  
[crash\_3019\_CTD5\_igLoad.dmp](https://discourse.stonehearth.net/uploads/short-url/sruao5vdkMD3btTGkIAzqqdTAgZ.dmp) (150.0 KB)

So the whole ‘background’ aspect might be superfluous, and just a correlated-but-not-causal behavior on my part (ie scenario where problem presents is scenario where I’m likely to tab out, rather than tabbing causing the problem).